TIMESTAMPS: 0:00:35 Diana- Traditional religion, secularism, transfigurative body, matter and spirit 0:07:18 Leslie - Reports of a whole range of being types 0:07:55 Diana - Incommensurability problem 0:09:29 Leslie - Communication, telepathy 0:10:45 Diana - Telepathy in both UAP and apparition reports 0:12:23 Leslie - Mediumship and telepathy