I want to cover 3 main verifiable topics from Bob Lazar's account that are almost never mentioned (Jeremy Corbell won't touch it, Luigi won't touch it, Dolan refuses to ask him, etc) -- which to me are the lynchpins when it comes to the physical location of S4. These three things only exist in Bob's retelling, not in photography or satellite maps. TLDR: The widely agreed upon S4 site cannot be the real location he worked at. It must be somewhere else. From Bob Lazar's own 2019 autobiography, notice the bold text. Abstractly worded would be an understatement, but the early sketch makes it clear what was meant. https://youtu.be/wnPlSc-XnUg?si=dcJyz_2kNBbfaUw4&t=4628 ...we headed south along a packed dirt road within minutes we were in the desert with the blacked out windows. I couldn't see much to the sides of me but it was likely what i was seeing in front of me through the frame of the front windows. A few rolling hills and a smattering of creosote bushes, grease wood and cactus. We traveled for nearly 40 minutes covering approximately 10 miles the bus headlights sending out a flickering semaphore as we rattled over the corrugated sections of the road. Eventually we slowed and came up to a rather large hill above the loose pile of dirt and stone. A spire of rocks with the characteristic desert varnish darkening their surface sat like a broken jaw and teeth above it as we moved left around the hill, it was as if someone had taken a giant shovel and squared the face of the hill at ninety degrees to the ground. To one side of that perpendicular rise stood a small entryway. Dennis led me inside the building... https://i.redd.it/n44f19ma7c1h1.gif To be clear, his book claims they took the southern route on the first visit to S4. Here's that road. https://preview.redd.it/ap2gvsbc7c1h1.png?width=1997&format=png&auto=webp&s=ae7d42f5f60058f1f86b81c8174bbec6bc4f25f5 It's absolutely certain that no substantial jagged rocks/cliffs exist at the agreed upon S4 location. Not shown are the runner-up S4 sites scattered north and northwest of Papoose dry lake; neither of which have large jagged rocks by any stretch of the imagination: https://preview.redd.it/w88s40je7c1h1.png?width=680&format=png&auto=webp&s=d891e0af01a8d39f11ad6ec03ba15bfd2575b8a0 And in recent years, contradicting himself, Bob himself sketches a smooth continuous rise above the hangars. No cliffs or large rocks in sight. Also take note he includes no bushes or shrubbery on the actual doors; something that you see in abundance across the hillscape at the supposed S4 site: https://unitednuclear.com/area-51-c-86/s4-base-sketch-hand-signed-by-bob-lazar-p-1386.html 2) On the second verifiable topic, again from Bob Lazar's own 2019 autobiography, notice the bold text: https://youtu.be/wnPlSc-XnUg?si=z2vgRGbITCPy3GqN&t=13147 Once the vehicle came to a stop and we dismounted, Dennis said "take a good look. I can't guarantee you'll get another opportunity like this one. I walked into the wedge of light coming out of the hangar, and out onto the concrete apron. I wanted to get the long view of the craft. The familiar saucer shape of the craft, like an inverted soup bowl... We know from photographs and satellite imagery above, there's absolutely no outdoor paved "concrete apron" at this site. No sign of sufficient ground disturbance from the removal or burying of concrete, either. We do have some faint lines shown in the S4 documentary, after contrast adjustments were made. Definition of a hangar concrete apron: a heavy-duty paved surface located directly outside a hangar for parking, maneuvering, and servicing aircraft, acting as a transition zone to the taxiway. 3) On the third verifiable topic, Bob makes it quite clear that the bus traveled right up TO the facility. Even in the earliest clear satellite imagery (circa 2006, below) there's no remnants of a fading road. The counter-argument might be that they actively planted shrubbery and joshua trees overtop of the road, and did the same atop the hangar doors after covering them with dirt while managing to leave no heavy equipment tracks behind. https://preview.redd.it/1een2jhn7c1h1.png?width=1749&format=png&auto=webp&s=0b00238fce864ceafd54c858c36e649230664879 If you wonder what a 17-year abandoned dirt road looks like, we have a perfect example right nearby. Assuming they stopped using the Papoose-bound road in 1989 when Lazar went public, the 2002 (left side image) is how it looked 13 years later. And after an additional 17 years: how it looked in 2019. As you can see, 17 (or 30) years is NOT enough to erase all traces of an abandoned dirt road. From this, you might estimate it takes 50+ years. https://preview.redd.it/wwba4qvq7c1h1.jpg?width=1800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=371802efb9eeb4544c336be0c1dc8e33766c3fce So again, how come there's no sign of the road just 17 years after Lazar said the road was there? Because he worked somewhere else entirely. https://preview.redd.it/14o96p2s7c1h1.png?width=1749&format=png&auto=webp&s=b7445a00f4c0e11e639cc53a0077fc5c79459728 If the road ever existed, it might have looked something like this: https://preview.redd.it/h9krg16t7c1h1.jpg?width=1829&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f429f04e84a01d6876d205231e8c55975b80f687 And after 17 years, here's what the road should have looked like in 2006. Don't mind some other oddities and textures AI decided to paint in. The point is, there was never a road here, and nobody wants to believe it more than me! https://preview.redd.it/1s5z9oou7c1h1.png?width=1829&format=png&auto=webp&s=09e3dd51a6fe871969dd013f905647c4793ff44d 4) As a bonus related topic, here's the clearest shot we have of the base of the "tongue"/penninsula on the Papoose dry lake bed, right near the agreed upon S4 site. I think it's been dug out and had a pretty evident berm added to collect water for wildlife during the rainy season; and you'll actually find plastic tanks known as wildlife guzzlers all across the region for this same purpose. https://preview.redd.it/65syv0sz7c1h1.png?width=1229&format=png&auto=webp&s=361435a58525846cc82a2309b776524d9178b0d0 Something else in that same spot almost nobody knows about, because it only became apparent with recent satellite imagery, seems to be circular machinery left over from either a mining operation, or a cattle/horse pen, etc. Near the center of this image. Possibly on the right side of the "pond" is where a dwelling used to sit, well before the government bought up the land. Just a few hundred feet away from "S4". Would love to hear your comments! https://preview.redd.it/u1ry54518c1h1.png?width=1531&format=png&auto=webp&s=581ee00675e55aa86cef3608c6b8b19d77943609 submitted by /u/Connect_Treacle7086 [link] [comments]