TIMESTAMPS: 0:03:24 Diana - The Book of Enoch 0:04:48 Leslie - Primary source material Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina, Wilmington (UNCW). Dr. Pasulka’s research focuses on religion, technology, and emerging religious movements. She has authored a series of acclaimed books, including: “American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, and Technology” (2019), which explores the convergence of these themes, receiving critical acclaim from major publications like Vice, Vox, Fox News, and The Los Angeles Review of Books. “Heaven Can Wait: Purgatory in Catholic Devotional and Popular Culture”(2014), delving into Catholic traditions. “Encounters: Experiences with Nonhuman Intelligences” (2024), exploring the nature of unexplained experiences. And a forthcoming book, The Others: AI, UFOs and the Secret Forces Guiding Human Destiny (St. Martin’s Essentials, MacMillan, July 2026). Beyond these books, her published articles and book chapters delve into topics ranging from historical examinations of 19th-century Western American children’s literature about the afterlife. More info here. Diana has appeared on popular podcasts (links to episodes included) like The Joe Rogan Experience, Lex Fridman, Mysterious Universe, and in the New York Times. She was the consulting producer for the Emmy nominated Amblin Netflix Series called Encounters, and the consultant for the first Conjuring movie in the franchise. Her insights were also featured in the J.J. Abrams-produced docuseries “UFO”. https://dwpasulka.com/ Leslie Kean Leslie Kean is an investigative journalist focused on bringing credible information about unexplained anomalies and “impossible” realities into the mainstream, while exploring what they mean. She is the author of the New York Times bestseller UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go On the Record (Crown, 2010) and Surviving Death: A Journalist Investigates Evidence for an Afterlife (Crown, 2017), which was the basis for a 2021 documentary series on Netflix. Her over two decades of investigation and mainstream coverage of UFOs were profiled in The New Yorker in 2021. Leslie and reporter Ralph Blumenthal contributed a series of articles to The New York Times on UFOs/UAPs, beginning with a 2017, game-changing front page story about a secret Pentagon UFO program. They broke the David Grusch story in The Debrief in 2023. Currently, Leslie is a contributing producer for the ongoing Nat Geo/VICE series “UFOs: Investigating the Unknown”. She is working with two leading New York producers on launching her play, A NEW KIND OF GOD, co-authored with William Youmans. Leslie has made presentations at the Explorer’s Club, American University, Rice University, and the Franklin Institute, and has been interviewed by Ezra Klein (2023) and Steven Colbert (2010). https://www.lesliekean.com/