I came at the Ufology/Alien phenomenology stuff in a very indirect way. I had started delving into stuff like the franklin scandal, the Dutroux affair, Casa Pia, etc mainly from personal family connections to this strangeness in the region I grew up in (Western Washington near the Canadian border). What ended up happening is I kept running into credible (imo) allegations of ritual abuse and mind control programs. Other connections started forming, too. Many new age groups deeply connected to the alien phenomenology kept cropping up with the mountain of allegations I was sifting through. Often direct ties would be found with more well known and less controversial groups as well, even up to some seemingly respected ones like Einhorn and Esalen. And as I categorized all of this madness and uncovered more and more I started finding amidst the smattering of decent private research and published stuff too continuing connections of aliens and close encounters and the like with "monarch" and cult affiliated/related mind control programming. Some of this goes deep and the daughter programs are rife with this such as MKOFTEN, MKHATTER, MKDRACO and others. I kept running into familiar names in the occult. Similar programmer pseudonyms like Dr Green, Dr Jolly, Dr Red/Malcolm, etc... I found stuff so horrifically evil and heinous and people so unbelievably damaged that it has shaken me. The alien phenomenology is a foxfire of deceit and high criminality. Things only got worse recently when in tandem with my research I started getting into this community I suddenly hear about talks of mass immunities for guys in the so-called "legacy programs". Near stories of guys like Elizondo talking about a form remote viewing where you supposedly can either apparate and even physically materialize and it involved the supposed torture of accused terrorists at Guantanamo bay (strangely he slipped in that Puthoff was over him in chain of command maybe??? The same Hal Puthoff seemingly keen on legal immunities). Now whether you believe in that kind of woo is almost beside the point. Elizondo is a seemingly respected whistleblower and veteran. This stuff isn't just on him. The stuff that sent me over the edge and finally made me pull away from Ufology/Disclosure was Jake Barber and his talks of motivated and willing psi users from disaster areas wanting to go aboard HVAC set up shipping containers and going on space ships, or how trauma is a powerful inducer of "psi" abilities or how people may have been a bit too hasty and wrong headed in stimulating fight/flight responses on test subjects and Jake has even on more than one occasion utilized actual monarch programming phraseology as well... Scared and highly disturbed me. Nobody seems to be talking about this dark aspect of Ufology. Only seen it amongst a small few, though some old timers delved into it more. Any of you guys here aware of ANY of this? Thank you. Would be good to know I am not alone. I know I am not but I can't talk to anyone about this. It is crazy, weird, scary, etc... I cannot even imagine what life is like for the worst of the victims in this, my Lord... Anyways if anyone has anything to say even severe criticisms it's fine with me. Thanks. submitted by /u/Zealousideal-Egg3734 [link] [comments]