Karin Austin Ms. Austin is the Project Manager for the Archives of the Impossible at Rice. Prior to beginning this position, she was executive director of the John Mack Institute. In the 1990s, she worked with the late Harvard psychiatrist John E. Mack, M.D., in his research of the "alien abduction" phenomenon, eventually transitioning into the role of his personal assistant. She was featured in Dr. Mack’s book “Abduction”. After his accidental death in 2004, she was pivotal in helping Dr. Mack's family close his estate, an effort that involved various projects related to the administration of his archives and personal affairs. In 2022, she began collaborating with Wilson Research Center's Head of Special Collections, Amanda Focke, and Rice University's Dr. Jeff Kripal, to transfer and digitize a major donation of Dr. Mack's phenomenon-related materials to Kripal's Archives of the Impossible (AOTI) https://impossiblearchives.rice.edu/ Dr. Peter Skafish Dr. Peter Skafish is a sociocultural anthropologist who works between his discipline and philosophy on how ideas, cosmologies, and translation shape the diversity of human thought and experience. He is currently engaged in research that employs anthropological perspectives on pluralism, cosmology, modernity, and religion to anticipate how the sort of nonhuman beings that we imagine to design UAP might think and in what ways this thinking is likely to be both commensurate and incommensurate with our own. Dr. Skafish is also developing in his advisory research for Sol broad recommendations for a genuinely democratic, “whole of society” approach to solving the legal, political, and environmental problems raised by UAP. Dr. Peter Skafish has a PhD in anthropology from the University of California, Berkeley, and has held faculty and research positions in the United States, France, Canada, and Germany, including at universities such as UC Berkeley, the Collège de France, McGill University, and the Bauhaus-University, Weimar. www.thesolfoundation.org Leslie Kean (Host) Investigative journalist and author known for high-credibility reporting on UAP and other anomalous topics; bestselling author of UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record. See more at https://www.lesliekean.com TIMESTAMPS: 0:00:00 Intro countdown 0:01:03 Leslie intros 0:02:08 Leslie to Karin and Peter - Studying the phenomenon 0:02:58 Peter's response 0:10:58 Karin's response 0:21:33 Peter - Clean Data 0:23:49 Karin - Quality of academics and scientists for the study 0:25:52 Peter - Emphasizing research 0:30:47 Leslie responds 0:33:44 Karin - Ontological shock 0:35:17 UFOB - Due_Charge6901 - Does anyone know what the phenomenon is? 0:35:39 Peter's response 0:43:33 Karin's response 0:46:48 Experiencers - Oak_Draiocht - Dispell the Rumors of John Mack's Death 0:47:07 Karin's response 0:52:06 Peter's response 0:56:46 UFOB - Site-Staff - How have the experiences of abductees changed over the years? 0:57:25 Peter's response 0:59:04 Karin's response 1:01:40 UFOB - Due_Charge6901 - Differences between collective/group experiences vs. individual ones? 1:02:07 Karin's response 1:02:41 Peter's response 1:07:14 Karin's response - Safety 1:07:52 Leslie's response - Phoenix lights 1:09:38 HighStrangeness - Girl-of-100-Lists - Experiencers' heightened psi abilities… 1:10:16 Karin's response 1:13:46 Peter's response 1:20:20 Karin's response 1:23:05 UFOs - FlipsnGiggles - Could some experiencers be individuals with innate but untrained "psionic" abilities? 1:23:27 Karin's response 1:26:18 HighStrangeness - Girl-of-100-Lists - How do you interpret transformative effects from abductions? 1:27:03 Peter's response 1:31:00 Karin's response 1:35:19 Leslie's response 1:36:21 Peter's response 1:39:12 Karin's response 1:41:32 Peter's response 1:42:44 Karin's response 1:46:13 Aliens - FlipsnGiggles - Do you think shamans, mystics, or experiencers access a "library" to interpret contact experiences? 1:46:40 Peter's response 2:03:16 Karin's response 2:03:53 Experiencers - MantisAwakening - Correlations between NHI contact experiences and what people report taking entheogenics? 2:04:14 Peter's response 2:08:43 Karin's response 2:11:36 Experiencers - mathi_jm - If some NHI are humanoids, should anthropology make a revision of what's considered human and non-human in the future? 2:12:01 Peter's response 2:19:24 Karin's response 2:20:56 Leslie's Question to Karin - Thoughts on R. McNally and S. Clancy claiming to find a link in sleep paralysis, abduction, and sexual abuse? 2:21:12 Karin's response 2:24:58 Final thoughts and plugs 2:25:35 Peter's final thoughts 2:29:16 Karin's final thoughts 2:30:32 Leslie's final thoughts 2:31:53 Leslie thanks the mods and all 2:32:34 Peter thanks again and shouts out to all experiencers