A highly deceptive, maybe interdimensional force of consciousness, that has masqueraded and disguised itself as a myriad of different things throughout our history, in a feedback loop where it changes the way it presents itself as we develop, while also manipulating us and our conceptions through these encounters. For less than benevolent reasons ultimately. Something that deliberately confuses investigation of itself. Circa 200 BC, as one example of many, you get concentrated cases in Rome & Italy of things like flaming (sea) ships, shields, men with weapons in the sky. These things were entered into state historical record and warranted senate response. Cases of aerial battles in the sky between armies, objects or symbolic / geometric shapes (many of which were either recorded by multiple sources or entered into official state record) interest me particularly atm, the most famous but less corroborated of these is the 1561 phenomenon over Nuremberg, but there were a significant number of similar cases that transcended culture and were well documented. Throughout our history this force seems to masquerade as gods, angels, demons, beings from folklore and mythology, sometimes more or less abstract symbolism, more recently aliens. Anything you can imagine really. I don't think it is any of those things. I think what it really is, might just be beyond human comprehension, perhaps from natural limitation, perhaps because it had some involvement in what we have a point of reference for in the first place. What it is actually doing here might be less incomprehensible, and I think, to a limited degree, possible to extrapolate from our (NHI influenced imo) history, as well as every other scientific and certain philosophical fields once you put them together and factor things in. If they have spent thousands of years influencing us, you can't ignore what that influence lead to. Human history is, frankly, a blood bath. Thousands of years of exploitation, subjugation, genocide and war, guaranteed to be cyclical in many areas due to the architecture of our psychology, and honestly nature here itself. Think of the (ultimately indirectly astronomical) bodycount the visions of figures like Elijah in the old testament (or more recently insects like Guido von List, but that's a huge rabbit hole for another day) produced if there were anything to them. Even the civilizational progress we've made recently (while backsliding in other areas) seems to be headed in an ominous direction long term in my eyes. When it has communicated with humans, NHI has never given them a straight and honest story. What it has frequently historically done it seems, is seeded conflicting cargo cults and ultimately religions in different places, inevitably leading to near endless bloody conflict. Similarly, when it communicates with people on a smaller, more individual level, it is a master of manipulation. Sometimes it plays good cop, whether to spread societal disinformation or more easily exploit the human subject, sometimes it shows a little more of its true colour and simulates things like the invasive and medically unnecessary procedures you find in 80s era abductions, or terrorizing and even killing people in places like Colares. When they communicate, the vast majority of the time their story regarding where they're from, what they are and why they're here varies, though they certainly seem to love putting a new age spin on things with certain demographics. It would take too long to justify the craziest aspects in a post, especially considering the amount of relevant information imo that doesn't strictly relate to NHI on the surface. But I'm lucky enough to have a PhD relative who takes the subject seriously enough to help me write an extensive report on everything I can remotely corroborate: a project for the next few years. What I think may be happening is that NHI is using us (most likely, as some people into this subject who have looked into human genetic anomalies would speculate: engineered us) as a resource, essentially that we are a form of livestock on their farm. Not for meat, or anything physical. I think this is a form of consciousness that has some kind of need for the "energy" derived from the experiences our consciousness, perhaps biological life in general, cycles through in life. Particularly negative it seems. In any case it has a vested interest in what the human/biological condition has been. It views us no differently from the way we view less advanced lifeforms we use as a resource and/or exploit for our ends, if perhaps requiring more maintenance. If this universe is a simulation, this phenomena might just be a tool of what is simulating it, but I don't know. Nature itself would seem to be highly conductive to what I speculate to be a big part of its agenda if you look into nature's raw form enough, and what we have inherited from it in different forms. Without NHI having a definite physical form that stays coherent throughout the ages. I think this is an important thing to outline: it seems NHI/UAP phenomena can be divided into two main categories: A) induced mass hallucination. I think the easiest way for it to influence us throughout history were images and ideas inserted directly into our heads. B) actual physical objects, etc, when this would benefit its agenda or have more impact. It is primarily a non physical force, but it understands the physical sufficiently (if not immeasurably better than us) to not necessarily be walled off from it in such a way as to be incapable of constructing physical tools or even growing biology inside it. However it accomplishes this, it doesn't seem to be limited in that sense. Crashed or landed objects recovered by the military, in my view, are likely to be deliberately staged events by NHI. On one hand details slip out that effect the cultural psyche, on the other, they are giving select world powers technological puzzles that may be stimulating a paranoid arms race. Crashed objects or recovered landed objects seem to be custom-designed with human psychology in mind, essentially constructed on a case by case basis with the intention to be recovered by humans and interpreted in a certain way. Biologics seem to most likely be genetically engineered biological drones essentially: disposable, expendable tools/interfaces, designed and grown to accomplish specific tasks in the physical space like interacting with and influencing humans. If I had to guess, I would say crashes probably come with indirect clues to the non-extraterrestrial nature of this phenomenon sandwiched between a lot of misdirection intended to confuse researchers. One of the bigger problems: If people like Jim Semivan, myself and others are correct about this force being capable of reaching into people's minds and manipulating their perception, in addition to everything else we kind of know or can extrapolate, it seems very plausible to me that institutions, intelligence agencies and hidden authorities on the matter may become unknowing, unwitting instruments of essentially untraceable NHI manipulation, playing into its agenda without meaning to, possibly rationalising the technological donations as benevolent. But that's guesswork. What I have to say overall comes from many years of doing my best to identify and sift through misinformation and disinformation on the subject, in tandem with my own experiences that I'd rather leave out of the discussion and not lean on for now. There is a lot I'm not factoring into this post because it would take forever. I suspect he wouldn't go near, and I feel he fears ascribing hostile intent, but Jacques Vallee's work is a good place to start in relation to the possible non-physical, consciousness based nature of this phenomenon and some of the deceptive ways it has historically interacted with us. Reddit's prison planet theory is very close in many ways, but has some important errors and assumptions I feel. I also understand that the consciousness related aspects of this phenomena may be difficult for a lot of people to reconcile. A good place to start might be Etzel Cardena's 2018 metastudy (overall statistical leanings of 750 vetted studies) on psi phenomena. The metastudy was peer reviewed by the American Psychological Association and published in American Psychologist, pretty much the world's flagship journal in the field. Naturally it then attracted the attention of popular scientists from well funded and influential skeptical organisations, like James Alcock and Arthur Rever who rejected the metastudy on the basis that, quote, "claims made by parapsychologists cannot be true, hence data that suggest that they can are necessarily flawed and result from weak methodology or improper data analysis". **In other words, they did not actually look at the methodology. They did not identify or go over any actual errors in the data analysis that they could point to, or the rigour of the constituent studies, because they sidestepped trying entirely. They purely made an assumption based on popular consensus and the cultural paradigm, in other words, the essence of religious and cultural style dogma, called it a day, and that's what the scientific community went with.** Deliberate or not, I don't know, but I can see how there could be motivation to suppress this subject too, and this sort of dogmatic, anti-scientific response on the level of the scientific community seems to be a pattern with these subjects. For those curious, I've uploaded Cardena's metastudy at: cardena.tiiny.site TLDR: I think we could have been engineered as psychic livestock by something so far unknowable by its nature, that has manipulated us through all of history but has zero real sympathy for humanity. I hope to justify what I have to say far more coherently and extensively in the future. The last thing id really say here is that when you look into this subject, it may help not to exclusively look at transparently nhi/uap related phenomena, a thorough look at the basics of what we scientifically, philosophically and historically know about our existential situation and ourselves may help. Keep in mind that any major group or movement oriented towards a truth like this, perhaps even individuals, would likely be sidetracked past a certain stage from multiple possible angles. Beyond a certain point you have to be capable of relying on your own judgement and discrimination while constantly questioning and testing your own thought process. It's good to avoid certainties and build on a self-editing, ever evolving theory based on best available information at any given time. It also goes without saying that no government or major institution would ever disclose, or start a real international conversation on this subject beyond surface level confusion, if a scenario similar to what I'm suggesting is correct. Frankly, a huge amount of people would go into emotionally driven denial and refuse to sincerely evaluate available evidence anyway. Nevertheless I support exposure of the truth. submitted by /u/alxxsold [link] [comments]