Prelude: My intent with this article is to simply document what I consider “interesting” observations. I will leave it up to the reader to determine whether or not Bob is full of manure. My background is primarily 40+ years in IT under numerous umbrellas, including software development, project management, systems architect and security. I have an undergraduate degree in Physics. I am also a US Navy vet with 10 deterrent submarine patrols aboard SSBNs with a TS clearance during the Cold War. I’m currently retired. Ok, here we go. Observation: No Controls The so-called Sport Model saucer that is central to this movie has no obvious controls. Only 3 chairs that would accommodate small children at best (the Greys?). It is unclear how anyone, human or otherwise, could pilot this craft. No instruments, no controls of any kind. No storage lockers for food or other necessities. No beds or tables. Just three chairs and the so-called engine. Although we didn’t see or were explained the upper level, which we were led to assume housed electronics and possibly a navigation system, neither the apparent flight deck or engine compartment below housed anything except the basic engine components, which themselves seem overly simplistic. There were also no apparent oxygen or atmosphere tanks or apparent mechanisms that produce heat or cooling so that any biological pilots could potentially stay alive while in this craft in space. Were these things simply not shown? Were they removed either physically or by intentional omission? Also with no space suits and no air lock there seems to be no concerns over environmental problems between what the aliens are used to and Earth. What are the odds that conditions on Earth would allow an alien from a different world (namely Zeta Reticuli) to live in Earth’s atmosphere with no concerns? What I found particularly interesting is that this specific saucer explained in the movie did, on numerous occasions, fly and demonstrate some of its capabilities. I would then assume that the pilot(s) of this craft were human, so with no controls or instruments then how did this pilot(s) fly the craft? And this includes the fact that part of the engine system was cannibalized (one of the amplifiers was cut out) yet still appeared functional. If this ship is for real, was it only designed for short duration flights? Or the occupants were not biological? Or …? Observation: They have more. The fact that one of the amplifiers in the Sport Model was cut out and fully removed, and the fact that the Lab Lazar worked in had a fully working model of the engine (Core + 1 Amplifier + 1 Emitter) indicates that these components must have been removed from one or more other craft. We are also informed that there were at least 8 other craft in the S4 hangers at the time Lazar was there. Did these lab components come from one or more of these other crafts? It is clear that the program responsible for analyzing these crafts must have numerous examples of them to reverse engineer since they felt confident enough to cannibalize one or more of them, potentially making them inoperable. Their cavalierness of these crafts suggest that they have a lot more of them somewhere. A lot more. Observation: Engine Design Weirdness Most power trains, at least of human design, have a specific and required architecture to them: Fuel source that feeds the engine The engine / transmission that converts energy into a force (for motion) A control system to manage speed and direction and moderation of the engine itself In the Sport Model we have three components. The Power Core, which is attached to some kind of waveguide. An amplifier that itself does not seem to have a power source. Any amplifier of human design requires a power source, which seems logical since it has to ADD energy to the system, where is that energy coming from if not the core itself, and if it is coming from the core itself why the amplifier? And the three emitters which appear to be able to move independently to manage speed and direction. None of these components are physically attached to each other, yet they appear to be intimately connected. If the energy / power of this engine was transmitted wireless in some way, why for the love of God would you put your three occupants just a few feet away from an emitting engine capable of interstellar travel without frying them in the first few milliseconds of flight? Were the occupants impervious to this energy source? The primary wave guide in the saucer isn’t attached to the emitters, nor the amplifier, rather it is attached to the power core!? This makes no sense. Does the power core create some kind of bubble around the ship, then the emitters distort that bubble to produce motion similar to a helicopter leaning into the direction of flight? It is also apparent that this engine design produces no heat as a byproduct of the engine operating. Otherwise, again, why would you put your pilots 2 feet away from the operating engine that has enough power to instantaneously accelerate several tons of ship and cross vast distances in space? If we are warping space-time with this engine, as suggested, then the amount of power to do that is enormous. We’re talking about the power our Sun puts out daily. All by a few grams of so-called Element 115!? I guess the designer of this saucer just threw out General Relativity and nuclear physics. And speaking of General Relativity, there is a difference between “going fast” and instantaneous travel. The amount of power needed to accelerate such a craft to near the speed of light, instantaneous or not, would require an unimaginable power source. We’re talking about the combined energy of all of Earth’s nuclear power stations put together just to get the saucer to go even a few percent of the speed of light. The so-called Alcubierre bubble is a theoretical concept that appears very similar to how Lazar explains flight for the Sports Model. Yet the Alcubierre bubble requires a very hypothetical thing called ‘negative energy’ to work. It’s a magical and mathematical fudge-factor to make the equations work. But, is there such a thing as negative energy? And does Element 115 somehow emit negative energy? It is also odd that while using the lab engine there was no apparent force being applied by the emitter in the lab. This seems odd to me since the whole design as explained shows these emitters move the craft in the direction they are pointed to. Also, while active it seems physically impossible to move the power core, as the repulsive force by pushing against the invisible field isn’t physically translated to the physical core itself. Which begs the question on where that force is getting shunted to? If this emitter, when working, creates a distortion field that the ship then “falls into”, why doesn’t the lab “fall into” that field when they turn the engine on? As described, personally, I wouldn’t want to be within 10 nautical miles of that thing when they turn it on. Maybe the emitter to move requires the bubble to be there, and the lab does not create a bubble (?). Does the engine affect everything inside of ‘the bubble’? Is this why we most often see a hazy bubble around UFOs on pictures? Nothing about this engine as explained makes any sense to me without introducing a mathematical rabbit out of a hat. Whatever is going on here is far from classical physics, or science in general, for that matter. That doesn’t make it false, just very confusing and … unlikely. Observation: The craft is fragile. We see the Top Hat craft with at least 2 holes through it, which we assume are likely from human artillery (my assumption). Which implies that the craft is not impervious to physical attacks. Yet, if such a craft can cross interstellar space, how does it prevent any type of space dust or micro-meteorites from blowing the ship to a million pieces? If you are traveling even 1% the speed of light and you hit something the size of a golf ball it would release enough energy to rival a thermonuclear weapon detonation. A physical ship that cannot withstand even an artillery shell would disappear into its constituent subatomic particles in a microsecond should it strike even a grain of sand. Space travel is not only difficult, it is dangerous. And the further you have to travel the more difficult and dangerous it gets. And the faster you go the more dangerous it gets again. It seems unlikely to me that they use these ships to cross interstellar space, or even just traveling into space, or even just going fast here on Earth. If it is traveling at 5,000 MPH and hits a bird, it’s toast. Would an Alcubierre drive protect against striking space debris? If it creates some kind of warp bubble around it bending space-time and objects just “flow around it” then … why does the Top Hat have two very large (apparent) bullet holes in it? We also see that one of the Sport Model Amplifiers was cut out of the deck of the ship and removed. This implies the material the craft is made out of is not impervious to heat torches, which also begs the question on how such material can survive traveling through air or water at several thousand MPH without melting. It appears maintaining the integrity of the craft requires this artificial “bubble” to be operating. If it goes off even for a millisecond the craft would likely disintegrate at those kinds of speeds. So, how did those holes get there? Did we shoot through them after we captured the craft and it wasn’t operational? Again, if true it implies we have so many of these down crafts that we can play skeet with a few of them. And if there are that many of them floating around then why hasn’t one shown up on eBay by now? Observation: Crash Retrieval Programs It was mentioned in the movie that the Sport Model was an archeological find. Meaning, they recovered it from the ocean (or ‘water’). Given the events of Roswell in ‘47 and that whistleblowers claim we have an actual program for crash retrievals tells me that these crafts crash in alarming regularity. Are they terrible drivers? With no seatbelts, airbags or obvious restraining devices on the chairs in the saucer indicates that the occupants never experience any tangible acceleration while piloting the craft. Even a felt acceleration, or deceleration of a fraction of a ‘g’ would throw an occupant out of one of those chairs. It implies that ALL gravitational forces of any kind are completely nullified somehow. We are now in the impossible physics of Star Trek land. Why do these ships routinely crash? Are they shot down? If they are susceptible to being shot down also implies a lot of other things, like how to they prevent damage to their ships as they fly at high speeds through the air or water or avoid hitting objects like meteorites or ducks? Create splashes as they enter water, which they apparently do not do? The Sport Model does not seem to have any discernible damage to the ship, yet they found it crashed (?) in the water and recovered and later was able to be flown. What caused it to crash? Some have suggested that they are crashed on purpose. And, if true, they have also killed some of their own pilots as part of this weird program of theirs. If the pilots are not human, they seem to be completely dispensable to whomever is running the show. Given we have potential crashes dating back many many years, possibly hundreds of years, indicates that we are not directly causing these crashes, and they happen because of some other condition or situation. If true, then “they” know some of the craft being sent out are not coming back. I wonder what those pilots are thinking knowing the likelihood of not coming back (wherever “back” is). Are they some kind of AI tool, not “alive” in the sense we understand it, and are treated like a computer we might send on a craft not expecting it to come back? It reminds me of the European ships during the 1500-1700’s that crossed the Atlantic to the New World where a significant number of them didn’t make it back. Is this some kind of risky adventure for them? And if they know about us, why are they Ok with littering highly advanced technology (from our perspective) to us? Don’t they understand the extreme danger that puts us in? Which implies that they do not care - which is probably the most terrifying aspect of this phenomena IMO. Something very very very strange is going on here. Observation: Element 115 Another extremely interesting aspect of Lazar’s story is around, at the time, this mythical Element 115. In 1989 Element 115 wasn’t even on the periodic table and for all tense-and-purposes didn’t exist. In 2003 a joint Russian-American scientific team discovered Element 115 and named it Moscovium. This element does not exist naturally, and when artificially created is highly reactive (meaning radioactive) and decays extremely quickly - within milliseconds. There is no known stable version of this element, even in alternative isotopes, that we know of. If a stable form of E115 exists it must be through a complex alloy when bound to other elements. Even so, one would likely think that the element is still unstable and at minimum produces ionizing radiation. Meaning, you are not going to want to touch it with your bare hands, or leave it unshielded around humans. The idea of Lazar picking it up and examining it, perhaps even frequently, seems to me to be a very stupid thing to do as a scientist. Any element of that atomic weight is going to be unstable and likely radioactive. Lazar further suggests that it decays creating anti-matter - the most unstable substance known to man that releases enormous energy when combining back into its sister subatomic particle. Rather scientific studies of E115 suggest a highly unstable isotope that decays within a second and creates alpha particles (i.e. ionizing radiation) and a smaller reductive element, and not antimatter. Alpha particles are relatively easily shielded, though when introduced into biologic systems (such as a person) can create significant tissue damage. In the Navy when working around nuclear weapons, which can also produce ionizing alpha particles, we would have alpha detectors in place that would alarm when detecting a single particle! That’s how dangerous alpha particles are. If that detector goes off everyone gets into radiation gear and the ship surfaces to ventilate. Putting E115 into your pocket would be equivalent to putting a chunk of Plutonium in your pocket. The idea that Lazar was around E115 and handled it on a number of occasions makes me marvel at the fact that he isn’t dead from either radiation poisoning, or from rapid onset cancer. Their laboratory was not set up as a biohazard environment, and even Lazar comments on how dusty and informal the lab and hangers were. Laboratory studies have also indicated no known “unusual” properties of E115. Such as weird electromagnetic or microwave effects. In S4 E115 is shown to be loosely placed in a mini-accelerator-like contraption that somehow generates a microwave that is channeled through a waveguide which in turns creates some kind of bubble around the saucer. I’m no particle physicist, but really, this makes no sense to me. Elements do not create microwaves by themselves. He also mentions that if you do not treat it correctly it has the ability to blow up … spectacularly. Plutonium, which has an atomic number of 94, given only a few grams of the material, would still need an elaborate detonation device to make a bomb out of it, short of a dirty bomb, anyway. How is something with an atomic number of 115 not less dangerous than Plutonium? E115 could be misinformation, of course. Though, if so, Lazar is supporting that misinformation. As a scientist he would understand the problems when working around radioactive isotopes and question the idea it is an actual element with an atomic number of 115. Again, I would not want to be within 10 nautical miles of that stuff unless it was in a tightly controlled biohazard lab or nuclear laboratory. The description of the laboratory and the hangers reminds me of kids playing with loaded guns. Holy Shit what are they doing?? Heavy elements themselves do not have any unusual properties outside of the expected radioactive decay energy, strong and weak nuclear forces, nor inherent magnetic forces. Yet we’re expected to believe that E115 creates some type of wireless microwave-like energy by itself that is channeled using a waveguide to create a bubble around the saucer that warps space-time. I just bang my head on the table considering that possibility. If this mini-accelerator as part of the core created the conditions of E115 emissions we haven’t seen yet, like a magical microwave that can be wave-guided to create a warp bubble around the ship, then what is powering the accelerator? In our accelerators we have to put in many orders of magnitude more energy than we get out of it. If Lazar had simply left out the idea of Element 115 his story would make much more sense to me - almost. Sort of. Yet, other indicators suggest that Lazar had taken some of the E115 with him when he left S4, and had created an accelerator in his home laboratory in an effort to recreate the effect. His lab was subsequently raided and the material confiscated. This only leaves credence to the fact that some exotic material is involved somehow, given his whole story isn’t BS. Besides, if he had stolen some E115 the FBI at that point would have had every justification of grabbing him and throwing him in prison by violating confidentiality agreements, without having to admit to alien technology. It would have been very convenient. I’d love for an actual nuclear scientist to weigh in on this topic. Observation: Time Manipulation From Lazar’s accounts the Sport Model engine appears to warp space-time in some way using EM transmissions of some kind (i.e. the wave guides). What is specifically interesting to me is the time effects around the emitter when it is operating. The movie shows a candle that stops flickering, as if time stopped for it, yet is still emitting light with no visible distortions. Can a strong EM (electro-magnetic) field create a time dilation condition, even if it is only a few milliseconds, let alone stop time? An interesting cross-over here are the time distortions that have been measured at the Skinwalker Ranch that appear to mess with GPS signals. GPS requires a clock that is micro-second accurate, and a time distortion of even a few milliseconds can fool GPS into thinking it is hundreds of yards away from its real location. The fact that two separate “alien” technology experiences observe the same effect is not just interesting, but validating in itself. With our current physics we do not have the ability to manipulate time to that degree. It is possible that the technology at S4 is similar to the technology that is being experienced at the ranch? That would be some coincidence if true. I also have to point out that messing with time +/- a few milliseconds is not time travel. Yet a distorted time factor could explain the high acceleration if inside the craft is experiencing time differently than an outside observer. What would look like impossible acceleration to an outside person may feel like normal acceleration to the occupant inside the craft. Yet, we are still back to understanding how much power would be required to warp space-time to that extent. Observation: Zeta Reticuli Lazar mentions that he was told that these aliens, responsible for the craft and technologies, come from a planet in the Zeta Reticuli star system, which is a binary star of which both are similar to our own Sun. This star system is roughly 39 light years from us. The two stars are over 3,000 AU distances apart, meaning they are sufficiently far enough apart that they could each support planetary bodies around them in stable orbits. However, to date, we have not detected planets around either of these stars. However, theoretically, should they contain a rocky planet at the right distance from its sun it could conceivably support water and thus possibly life. Estimates of the age of these stars is 2-3 billion years, which would make it significantly younger than our Sun, though some estimates indicate it might be up to 8 billion years old. This is a pretty large margin of error so not a major factor in dismissing the idea, or agreeing with it. Zeti Reticuli also comes up in other pop culture UFO topics, such as the Betty and Barney Hill abduction. Channelers have also called this star system out. Is this validation, or repetition? I’m not sure what to do with this information, other than it is possibly just more misinformation. Observation: The Cold War During the period Lazar was working in S4, from 1988 - 1989, was nearing the end of the Cold War. He mentions at some point previous to him being on site that they were working closely with the Soviets, though he called them Russians. Given the craziness of the Cold War, I just cannot imagine any scenario where the US government and DoD and intelligence agencies would allow Soviet Scientists anywhere near S4 and these crafts, even in secret. The politics of the time placed us on a never-ending edge of global nuclear war with the Soviets. Also consider the efforts even in the 80’s to protect the S4 hangers from satellite reconnaissance. The Soviets were the only other nation that had that kind of surveillance technologies, and if they were invited to S4 why bother designing them as satellite-proof. Might as well have a neon sign pointing “Secret Base Alien Craft Here”. If the UFO phenomena is the ultimate secret that the intelligence agencies are willing to kill their own citizens over, then the idea that we willingly allowed Soviets access is, to put mildly, unlikely. Observation: Top Secret Being in the military myself during the Cold War I had a Top Secret clearance as part of my billet on nuclear submarines, and in specific technologies around nuclear armed missiles and guidance and navigation systems. The NSA and FBI did a comprehensive background check on me, and part of my training with classified material was understanding the strict rules around handling of classified data, and the severe penalties around mishandling that data. Violation would entail a long prison term (or worse) and other civilians involved (i.e. friends and family) being surveilled in perpetuity. They have executed people for violating highly classified nuclear technology data so these threats are not just posturing. The point being that Lazar would have had a similar experience in getting his security clearance, and unless he is incredibly stupid he would have been fully aware of the penalties of violating the handling requirements of the information he was privy to. Unless he intentionally wanted to endanger his life, and the life of his friends, he would not have dragged them out into the desert for a sight seeing expedition. Nor would he have taken a sample of E115 home with him, which he apparently did. Lazar does not come across as stupid to me. So, there is something odd about that whole thing. It feels like it happened, even though it makes no sense. Summary Although I find Bob Lazar as personable and believable, there are several aspects of his story that strains credibility, to be sure. His claim is that the S4 movie finally depicts those months at S4 accurately, which is why I decided to analyze the movie to this degree. Though I can’t find a smoking gun to say he is bullshitting us, I also can’t say that given the inconsistencies that increases the credibility of his story either. I want to believe Lazar, but the inconsistencies gets in the way of that. I’m left with it being an interesting story, but not one I would hang my hat on. If there is a rational explanation for some of these inconsistencies, I’m all ears. submitted by /u/Traveler995 [link] [comments]